tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2493944969345203860.post2145699206018477399..comments2023-10-20T15:31:30.332+03:00Comments on Lost White Kenyan Chick: Conjecture from the Mzungu ChickMzungu Chickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06396426353987429483noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2493944969345203860.post-69020902986031313122008-01-29T08:44:00.000+03:002008-01-29T08:44:00.000+03:00Dad Mzungu - the wealth of the different tribes da...Dad Mzungu - the wealth of the different tribes dates back a while to colonial times when land was given out to indigenous Kenyans and it was always felt that some tribes benefited more than others from this land distribution.<BR/><BR/>Home Alone - The trouble that kicked off before elections was probably the usual pre-election stuff we always seem to get before the actual voting when the different sides get heated.Mzungu Chickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06396426353987429483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2493944969345203860.post-25050807018817911642008-01-28T18:38:00.000+03:002008-01-28T18:38:00.000+03:00I just wanted to say to Zed that from what i have ...I just wanted to say to Zed that from what i have heard from friends living up country, the trouble in some places like Kisumu, kicked off before CHRISTMAS - not pre-declaration of the results. It was in anticipation of an ODM victory, but before the votes were even cast. Possibly can be attributed to misunderstanding the ODM manifesto.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2493944969345203860.post-37037364939192127072008-01-28T12:53:00.000+03:002008-01-28T12:53:00.000+03:00Hi MCYet another brilliant report and comment.I fe...Hi MC<BR/><BR/>Yet another brilliant report and comment.<BR/>I feel that simmering tribal conflict, open or below the surface, will never be totally eradicated until the wananchi accept that, above all, they are Kenyan ~ and I also believe that this is next to impossible.<BR/>Taking the UK as an example, a Scot is a Scot first and foremost, then British, perhaps. It is the same with the Welsh.<BR/>So,to ask for a Kenyan to put country above tribe is a tall order. After all, Kenyans are Africans, and Africans are very proud of their heritage.<BR/><BR/>Another point, in my recent travels through Kenya, I met a lot of people, Lou, Kikuyu, Luuya, Kisii. I could not distinguish between them by way of wealth or living standard. Is this advantage that the Kikuyu have enjoyed real or perceived?<BR/>The wealthiest people I met in Kenya were Asian or European.<BR/>I believe that Kenya has not shaken of colonialism. Kenya is still exploited, not by foreign government, but by international business and foreign investors. And while this continues, even Kenyans with jobs will be exploited.<BR/>Regards<BR/>Dad MzunguBabaMzunguhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02423217043240843105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2493944969345203860.post-8534563947829644842008-01-28T12:20:00.000+03:002008-01-28T12:20:00.000+03:00Zed - thanks for your return commentary! You're p...Zed - thanks for your return commentary! You're probably right about the rioting in Kisumu - it could have been through frustration, although from things I've heard since, I am not entirely convinced it wouldn't have happened anyway.<BR/><BR/>I certainly agree that Kenyans all most definitely want, and desperately need, serious change in our constitution and to the way this country is run and has been run for the last 40 years.<BR/><BR/>What this election has shown ordinary Kenyans is that no-one is really listening, their vote didn't seem to count, and the only way they feel they can be heard is through terror and violence.<BR/><BR/>Kamau - totally with you there. Transparency is key.Mzungu Chickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06396426353987429483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2493944969345203860.post-72487717725680568802008-01-28T01:30:00.000+03:002008-01-28T01:30:00.000+03:00your article is very clear and precise. i believe ...your article is very clear and precise. i believe that if the elections were seen to be transparent,then the underlying issues about wealth and land ownership would have not erupted to warfare and would have been addressed peacefully.The flaw in the election was just the spark that triggered the chaosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2493944969345203860.post-55091147082514364512008-01-27T21:58:00.000+03:002008-01-27T21:58:00.000+03:00hi mzungu chick,nice commentary.maybe you should b...hi mzungu chick,<BR/><BR/>nice commentary.maybe you should be on the beeb more often :)<BR/><BR/>just wanted comment on a couple of issues. from what i have heard, the pre-declaration rioting in kisumu(and other places) was triggered by the goings on at eck. basically odm supporters suspected foul play and responded with destruction and looting. i don't think odm suppoters and the luo interpreted an odm victory as cue to lawlessness.of course the luo would have been proud to have one of their own as president and also hope to benefit thro' patronage but not thro' outright thuggery.<BR/><BR/>overall i believe kenyans (including luos) wanted change. i get abit frustrated by the reductionism that has creeped into the analysis of our current troubles. kenya has been mismanaged for 40 years. there's been a huge deal of social and economic injustices that have been either ignored or perpetuated with impunity. we'd been warned before but successive administrations resorted to authoritarian rule to muffle complaints. the world changed, circumstances caught up with us and it is no longer enough to threaten citizenry with the state violence-even in africa. yes tribes are fighting each other but they wouldn't if they weren't poor. coast people and kaleos would not be chasing kyuks out of coast and rift-valley if kenyatta had acted prudently regarding the land issue after independence.<BR/><BR/>the tragedy of all this is our leaders, drunk with power and fuelled by greed passed on every singl opportunity to solve this mess.it pains me when i imagine where we could be now had we had different sort of leadership and where we're going to end up now with this greedy lot<BR/><BR/>that's why i agree with you when you say we need to get rid of patronage that's been institutionalised in our system. nothing short of a complete overhaul of our governance infrastructure will save us from going the somali way. that's how desperate i feel that culture has made us. we're basically fighting for survival as a country at the mo beacause of patronage. wananchi (ok, tribes lol) will not accept to be shortchanged this time round.that time passed. knowing our leaders, it is hard to be hopeful. if for example one researches the amount of land the 10 most powerful men in kenya own, one gets to understand why any threat to the status quo can not be entertained. of course it is not just about land.but what all this fighting really tells us is that things can not go on as before in kenya so something will eventually have to give. but we should not give up. i don't want to.<BR/><BR/>those are my thots. sorry i always suffer a bout of verbosity every time i attempt to comment on here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2493944969345203860.post-12164771056709429092008-01-27T21:01:00.000+03:002008-01-27T21:01:00.000+03:00Anon - I think that ALL Kenyans most definitely ne...Anon - I think that ALL Kenyans most definitely need peace whichever tribe they are from.Mzungu Chickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06396426353987429483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2493944969345203860.post-42284224229135667362008-01-27T20:32:00.000+03:002008-01-27T20:32:00.000+03:00The kikuyu or the munjiki sent from sombody ? I am...The kikuyu or the munjiki sent from sombody ? I am secure that the kikuyu want peace as much then any other wananchi. All the people from Kenya want peace.The luo ,on the films showed ,looked drunk or on drug. Nobody go for a protest smiling like themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com